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  My Last Thread

  by Maze in

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  my interest in posting here has deadened lately.

  this will likely be my last thread.

  initially i participated here because i was interested in sharpening my perception against opposing points of view.

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  LOL @ outlaw's dream wiener!!

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  An Open letter to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses (Elders/ Ex-Elders)

  by stuckinamovement in

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  if you are an elder or an ex-elder please add a comment.

  i hope that the governing body will see this.

  it is too bad it has to be on an anonymous forum.

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  Wow. I'm just reading this letter for the 2nd time and point 4 really got me thinking. 4. We are taught as an organization that the light gets brighter as Jehovah blesses his servants with Holy Spirit and increased understanding. Is Jehovah responsible for flip flopping doctrines such as the generation of Matt. 24:34, organ transplants, Blood transfusions, the superior authorities etc. or is it men who claim to be inspired? Despite these changes each time credit/blame is given to Jehovah. If the Faithful and Discreet slave were actually inspired, faithful, or discreet, these teachings would have never changed. I never quite thought about it that way. It's always new light and the FDS always says their understanding has changed (again). It's implied at that moment of new light that it was their fault for the mistake in understanding. But SIAM is right. Every bit of new light is always introduced as Jehovah giving them understanding, coming from him and his holy spirit. So who messed up? CoC
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  Examples of Rhetorical Fallacy in the Watchtower

  by leavingwt in

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  from the excellent website, jw facts, here are a few examples of rhetorical fallacies within the watchtower.

  red herringa red herring is the introduction of irrelevant material into a discussion to divert attention away from the points being made.a common witness retort to a difficult question is "where else would we go?

  " this is a red herring as it diverts attention from answering the issue at hand.

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  Thanks LWT (and jwfacts). Excellent points.

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  Undercover Brother Campaign- have you received your invite?

  by stuckinamovement in

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  without specifics being mentioned as to what it is......(to avoid tipping off certain lurkers).. how many people know about the upcoming summer long campaign?

  please use this thread to confirm receipt of your campaign invitation.

  take care.

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  Undercover Brother Campaign- have you received your invite?

  by stuckinamovement in

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  without specifics being mentioned as to what it is......(to avoid tipping off certain lurkers).. how many people know about the upcoming summer long campaign?

  please use this thread to confirm receipt of your campaign invitation.

  take care.

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  Though I won't be at my WTBS assigned convention, I will be at a convention nonetheless.
  So....... with that said....... I got my invite to the campaign!! I'm in!
  Hmm? Like brother Anony Mous, I feel quite giddy me self. (Ah yea, I did mean to write 'me self.' LOL)

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  My Last Thread

  by Maze in

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  my interest in posting here has deadened lately.

  this will likely be my last thread.

  initially i participated here because i was interested in sharpening my perception against opposing points of view.

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  My Last Thread

  by Maze in

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  my interest in posting here has deadened lately.

  this will likely be my last thread.

  initially i participated here because i was interested in sharpening my perception against opposing points of view.

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  Conversation I overheard this morning...

  by Morbidzbaby in

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  so this morning i decided to go see if i could find some interesting used books for my flight in a couple of weeks and i saw a jw from one of the local congregations...she didn't see me, even though she was directly behind me looking at the same section of books.

  i'm not exactly easy to miss, but i digress.. she was on the phone and was talking about a few things that i found incredibly interesting.

  firstly, i guess a woman that just got baptized last year is absolutely fed up with the org!

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  Wow Morbidzbaby! Awesome opportunity! Thanks for sharing!
  

  You don't hear those type of conversations everyday!

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  Best way to step down from being a servant

  by RayPublisher in

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  hey i'm wondering if anyone can give some good advice on how to step down in the safest way.. i have served as an ms for a number of years, but can't do it anymore.

  i know too much i want to fade in the future when i get some family things straightened out.

  i can't move right now so that's out unfortunately.. what should i tell the body?

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  Ray, that is certainly good news. But don't think you are in the clear. I'm sure that per WTBS standard, they are going to want to get together with you for some "sheperding."

  I had one just before I was "deleted" and one recently. On the latest one, I was honest in just saying that I was tired of the double standards and the politics that I saw often, even at Bethel, and especially as an "appointed man." And I also added that at this time I have no interest in ever serving again.

  The elders that talked to me are actually "close friends" (conditional) so I felt comfortable admitting this. But I WILL NOT speak of doctorine.

  The main thing they wanted to "encourage" me on was meeting attendance. I've missed my share of meetings, but have also attended a different hall in support of my wife.

  They tried to also give me the line on "how much potential I have" and "how they could really use me." I basically told them it's a little late for that and they said they respected my decision.

  We'll see what happens. My point is that if you were viewed as someone with potential, you WILL still be on their radar. Tread carefully. It's not over yet. That nice little voicemail is not an indicator of the future. But again, great news.

  Best regards,

  CoC
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  Religious Reform

  by Maze in

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  as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?

  the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.

  1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .

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  Crisis of Conscience

  LOL @ outlaw!!!

  CoC